Guest Speaker
VINCENT JAMES
Chief Technology Officer, BioRefineries LLC
TOPIC DISCUSSED
1. Hemp-BioRefinery process
2. Hemp-BioRefinery valuable products
3. Next-generation biofuels (bio-butanol)
4. Bioplastics (PLA and PHA),
5. Nutraceuticals (a true protein isolate from hemp seeds), resistant starch, and the beneficial health properties in extra virgin hemp seed oil
6. Green electricity (Hydrogen fuel),
7. Aquaculture
8. Hydroponics
INTRODUCTION
Speaker 1 (Mand Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr opened the discussion by introducing herself and giving a birds eye view on what GHA is all about:
“Hi guys, it’s Mandi with the Global Hemp Association. I wanted to say thank you so much for joining. I’m excited about the opportunity to build a relationship and connect this supply chain, after all, that’s why we started the association. Our association was built on the foundation of connecting the supply chain, building relationships and helping you grow your business. Anyone from farmers, manufacturers and distributors, people that are passionate about the supply chain, and those creating products selling into biofuels, plastics, textiles, construction and building materials.”
After that intro about GHA, she then asked Vincent James to introduce himself, tell everybody who he is, what he does, where he came from and what drives his passion.
Vincent James is the Chief Technology Officer for Community BioRefineries LLC and Director its division, Hemp-BioRefineries. Mr. James’s background is in Zymology, “the workings of fermentation,” an applied science that studies the biochemical process of fermentation. The field of studies includes selecting various yeast strains and bacteria species and their uses in fermentation. Mr. James did his graduate work at San Francisco State University with post-graduate work in Brewing Sciences at the University of California at Berkeley and Davis. A trained brewer, Vincent is adept in research and development, experienced in technical design, brewing production, fermentation, and purchasing management. He designed, commissioned, and developed over 35 microbreweries (his engineering designs are found in microbreweries throughout the US and abroad). His innovations and perspectives have been invaluable to CBR and its HBR extension. With over 30 years of experience in Zymology, Dr. James is now focused on the molecular level of every molecule in the Cannabis/Hemp plant to produce the next generation of plant-based foods, bio-plastics, and green energy.
Where are they headed
Mandi Lynn Kerr said there are a lot of topics and things you guys are doing aside from butanol, outside of the bio refinery, or inside this bio refinery. Before they get into more specifics, there are a lot of products that come out of this. Mandi asked Vinnie to explain the structure of their company, where they are going, and what the company looks like.
Speaker 1 (Vincent James)
Vincent James said that when he talks about people, he tries not to be the smartest guy in the room. Because according to Confucius, if you’re the smartest guy in the room, you’re in the wrong room. And he is rather humbled. He learned a lot from everybody. That’s how he is. His sisters asked him after he got his master’s, they said, “so big shot, what did you learn?” He said, “well, college taught me how much I don’t know.”
Their process uses a bio-refinery. And normally people look at a bio-refinery as a device that will take organics and convert that into solvents or alcohols. They don’t use hydrolysis, they don’t use any heat, which is another patent that they have, there’s a process he breaks down hemp into a micron size that will then be able to be digested by the bacteria he is using to produce biobutanol once he makes the butanol and we have a an infographic and there’s a stream that we show where each product that we put dues is being taken up by the leftover from what the other product is not using. So once we make butanol, that’s the sugars that are remaining, we then produce what’s called a bioplastic called polyhydroxy alkane. They poly lactic acid in the acronyms you look at, our PHA and PLA. The plastics are incredible. If you do look at the PHA, that’s the only bio plastic that can break down and interact with the bacteria in the ocean. Again, incident, the certain climate zone. So there’s currently between California and Hawaii, there’s an island of plastic floating there that has not broken down. And if it was made out of polyhydroxyalkanoate pha, easier to say, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
So PHA is an incredible plastic. So these are little the like beans that we actually produce, and then you send them to a manufacturer, who has containers that they have molds for, and they will then extrude these pellets and make these molds and you can engineer the PHA to dissolve and three months, six months, so you can control, when it breaks down. It’s an incredible plastic.
Food vs. Fuel
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi made a real quick shout out to Matt. Who was actually saying, “he’d like to talk to you about the process of plastics, making plastics, and how we cycle themselves in the timeframe you make.”
Speaker 1 (Vincent James)
Vincent James said that he met Matt and that he was incredible.
So, after we finished with the plastic, Sammy and him wrote a paper for UNESCO. It’s the UN website, and we wrote the paper on food versus fuel. Because there was a lot of concern a few years ago about using valuable cropland to grow an energy crop that could be used for human consumption. And in our industry, when growing cannabis and hemp, you never want to return to the bud. We’re not just looking at THC. Take a look at the seeds. The seed of a hemp plant is so robust and dynamic in terms of branched chain amino acids that the only deficiency in some minor deficiency and the ability to produce effective insulin is in the seed.
Benefit of Hemp Protein
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr asked Vincent James to speak real quick about the benefit of the hemp protein as far as the amount of nutritional value compared to some of its outside of its being brought up not being broken down.
Speaker 1 (Vincent James)
Vincent James answered with the benefits. “The human body needs a certain amount of protein to maintain its function because what the proteins’ role in your diet is to make sure that you’re repairing muscles, because your body is, it’s like maintaining a car, everything is working out. And in order to maintain that you want to make sure you have everything that it’s that’s putting back in your system that is being broken down and the protein will build back all these nutritional aspects that the body is is doing the the essential amino acid that we’re doing in this is the amino acids are not produced in the body naturally. It’s something that needs to be ingested. And if you’re going to do this, as I tell people when they tell me somebody has cancer and they’re, they’re kexi and so we’ll just give them a hamburger to get the protein. Well, the body works harder to enter, there’s more calories burned. So there is energy expended in terms of expelling energy in order to get what nutrition is coming in. So what I’m doing is providing individuals with a better platform for all of their therapies to take place. And I’m just a simple biochemist; I’m not the one who invented everything. People have taught me so much. It’s similar to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs: if you’re a hammer, every problem appears to be a nail. Yes. And consider those involved in the ethanol, plastics, nutrition, or even cannabis cultivation industries. Everyone is focused on that one nail because it is the source of the problem. Everyone is focused on that one nail because it is the source of the problem. And what we’re looking at is a broader perspective on the whole.”
Different Parts of the Plant they use
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr was reading Vincent’s notes about all the different parts of the plant that he uses: the route, stem, stock and the node. She wanted him to elaborate on that.
“Those are the components of the plant that people are looking at,” answered Vincent.
HBR Process
Speaker 1(Vincent James)
Vincent talks about the HBR process.
According to Vincent James, if you look at an HBr, we’re looking at one facility that will employ a high paying good career, raising a family job is what I’m looking for, and one factory will hire 600 people. And these are fantastic jobs that will benefit the community and the environment as a whole. I live in Berkeley, and many people here wear Birkenstocks. They have a way of thinking that says, “Well, you have to be sustainable in terms of making money, because you have to compete with petroleum.” Because that is the primary motivator here. And if you consider the 6000 other products produced by a barrel of oil.
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr said, “Matt brings up a great point to another part of the HBr process is their smaller carbon footprint using hydrogen to fuel for their plants instead of fossil fuels.”
Speaker 1 Vincent James
Vincent James said “When I look at doing what we’re doing, I have to look at how am I going to power our facility, and we use the hydrogen that we produce our bar reactor as the off gas, because when you’re making beer and wine, go back to the end, that’s a very comfort level. For me. When you’re making beer and wine, you have the C six sugar in your, in your barley malt. And when you steep it new, then open up the sugars, you’re cooking it. So you’re using energy to open up the hydrolysis to open up the sugars for the yeast to eat, to digest to convert that into two products. There’s co2 and alcohol. And that’s why you have the bubbles and champagne and beer is the co2. In our product, what we do is we actually are using a way of breaking down the sugars, we’re exposing it without any heat. Okay, so we’re saving the energy component on the front end. So that’s amazing there. So there’s no petroleum in our mix to make our product, which is what we’re trying to do. So we take in petroleum out of the whole model we have. So we break it down. And we’re using technical equipment that’s already made. And from there, we break it down, we expose the sugars.”
Objections on Butanol and Capturing CO2 from the Fermentation
Vincent James said further “I have a bacteria that will convert the sugars in terms of the C six sugar like you’re baking beer and wine. And then bringing it up to butanol. I’m doing something similar to making a beer where they make beer with C six sugar and then you make a beer and you have the alcohol and the co2, but then you distill it. The distillation then produces the ethanol. So you have a corn beer, you’re making corn ethanol, and that’s what the ethanol plants are doing. That’s an ethanol plant we’re doing if we’re not using any heat and I’ll be using hemp and I’ll be using the sugars C six sugar like everybody uses the free sugar and the cpi sugar is the whole that no one ferments and that’s it’s already on your property. You’ve already bought that right, why not use that? So I have a bacteria that eats both the C five and C six sugars and convert that into bioethanol. And biobutanol is an incredible fuel and the remaining sugars we then convert into bioplastics. Again, polyhydroxyalkanoate Poly lactic acid PLA PHA and it is just to great use for the sugars that are right there. But then while the plants are there you want to use up everything else that’s there And that’s where I look at the oil in the seed is different from the oil in the leaf. And a lot of people think of CBD oil, right? It has THC content. And that’s dried I can, I can extract that oil that’s, that’s, that’s fine. But there’s the oil that I want to extract from the seed. And that has huge uses in the food industry. Because the oil is high oleic. So it has the good component that you need your diet to drop your bad cholesterol and boost the good cholesterol. And that’s the oleic acid that you have. That’s why people talk about the Mediterranean diet. They talk about the olive oil that’s on par with what’s going on. And we extract it similar to extra virgin olive oil. We’re not using any solvents, like typically Jews. If you go into a store, and then you see these exotic oils, they’re using either hexane propane or butane to extract oil. That’s and the FDA says it’s small quantities. That’s okay. My concern is that if you’re doing any oils that have nutraceutical properties, for somebody who has cancer, somebody who has a somebody has COPD, I want to make sure that there’s no solvents in that oil, I don’t want that to be because then although the FDA says it’s small quantities, it’s okay. People who are on their path to trying to get better, they’re looking at the most they can get in terms of what their body can take. And I don’t want any of that mixture to be a combination of any solvents. So ours is solvent free, we don’t rupture the molecule. So we maintain the integrity of the oil.”
Speaker 2 Mandi Lynn Kerr
“Okay, there are several questions here. And I’d like to touch on the oil and butanol in relation to some of the objections that you’ve overcome. Because this has been a long process, and this is only now starting to gain traction in the mainstream, in our discussions, not just ours, but in general, right, are these biofuels and biobutanol oils, and the ability to scale them. Right. As a result, I’m intrigued by you. What are some of the challenges you’ve overcome to be able to demonstrate? And what are we to expect? What could I expect to hear as objections to which you have answers?”
Speaker 1 Vincent James
Vincent James replies “the question I get is, can you do this? And people say, Well, yeah, you can do this. But it costs more to do this. And so what you’re doing is you have to think, just like when I was a kid, when someone says What have your parents called and go here and do this, and I would always think, well, I can’t do that. I had as a five year old, figured out all the different steps I needed to take to get my parents to get something accomplished that the school needed. And I had to figure that out. so as a young kid, I was always trying to fix things. It’s almost like Rube Goldberg when he’s doing his trying to make a flyswatter.
Speaker 2 Mandi Lynn Kerr
Perspective, because, as you say, I think sometimes our 17-year-old can barely figure these things out. And then it’s almost as if an opportunity has been presented to you or thrust upon you, which has shaped my thought process. Yes, I’m blown away.
Speaker 1 Vincent James
“I developed the first biofuel and biodiesel. And the reason no one is talking about it is that it costs around $17 per gallon. That was back then. This was 35 years ago. If you have the ability to produce biodiesel, you must find ways to make it more affordable. And, as I mentioned at the start of our discussion, the petroleum industry is not using that barrel of oil to make gasoline. They needed to consider vertical integration. We had to consider other byproducts because you already have those. We had discussions with Halliburton and met with their chief engineer. Scott was present during the conversation and stated that it was white noise. send em what we’re saying that yes, we can make this. But you had to find ways to reduce the cost of that one product. And to do that, instead of paying the exorbitant tipping fees that is required to dispose of your waste, we use the waste as another value added component. And that’s how we got into making the protein isolate. That’s how we got into making bioplastics. That’s how we got into making fuel cell technology using hydrogen. And I’m still arguing with my team because I want to use the lignin as boiler fuel for my fuel cell technology, and the hydrogen to go into the recipe, and it’s a recipe to make aviation biojet fuel. It’s a combination of using hydrogen butanol, and, and this combination that instead of doing this, where you’re mixing it with all these different, you know, different locations, you can do it all under one roof. And that’s what we’re looking at. And if you think of what a HBr. And people think, well, these must be massive, like, like, huge capital plants. And they’re not. And that’s why Sammy Pierce, he tracked me down while I was making microbreweries. He goes, I want you and he pointed to me and I kind of looked back and said, I want you to design an ethanol plant to make butanol, but I wanted the size of a microbrewery.. And the expression is do what, and that was the first thing I was thinking about, and I, with him, we worked out the whole process. And I can build these on skids to where each module will have its certain component. Now, if you look at our vertical integration, again, we take out the sugars because you’re not getting the sugars, I’m not getting to sugar, and people will know the corn syrup, corn sugar, causing a lot of obesity, and so forth. And I’m not at home, I eat chocolate, I have my cappuccino. And so I enjoy things too. And what I’m doing is I’m trying to make sure that I can utilize all the products. So if we’re going to have the sugar, I really use that where the bugs in the bacteria eat that to make a biochemical that really has that make the butanol that goes through the hydrogen that goes through the make the bio plastics. And there’s other products that can be made from the sugars. The protein is for human consumption that we’re looking for. And again, there’s a gentleman who worked with Sammy, and with Sammy, and with Scott. Scott took classes from him, he won the Nobel Peace Prize for saving the lives of a billion people. And his name was Dr. Norman Borlaug. And what he did was, he’s very similar to and I was saying this to Mandy, that the people in the original cannabis industry were just incredible in terms of doing their engineering and tweaking in high breeding the canvas plans to produce certain qualities and characteristics. Norman Borlaug did that with wheat and saved the lives of billions of people. And you, if you look at the industry, we have the same potential. And I you know, I come from you’re looking at the world again, I was born and raised in Oakland. I didn’t know we were poor. I had no no idea. We were the only you know, house in in Oakland that had a telephone in the deaf community and we I was like, the original interpreter for all the Deaf people would come to the house and say can you call for me to this call from you that and you know, that’s that’s what I did in my life. And so technology keeps moving in looking at what we’re doing. I’m looking at all these value added components to make sure that we use every part of the cannabis plant. And in our process, the only thing that’s left at the end of the day is super pure water. Because of our process. We use every molecule in our process. The lignin is there; I sent it to you. We also use the fluffy cellulose, which we produce from hemp and is also a food ingredient. We produced resistant starch as well. And the food scientists on the phone did not overreact to the fact that we produce resistant starch and system starch. Not many people are aware of it. The upper intestine that travels to your lower intestines is not where it is digested. Because it functions almost like boiler fuel, it gives you energy at the end of the day. But it’s also beneficial for those with diabetes and those who are at various stages of the disease. As an excellent nutritional product, that is a fantastic food source for them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 Mandi Lynn Kerr
“Okay, there’s lots of questions. My brain is spinning about people to connect with as we’ve had these conversations with a number of universities and food systems and the biobutanol is and the discussions about the biofuels really come into play. So real quick, I want to say thank you very much for everybody listening, I see lots of your comments in here. If I don’t get to you, we’ll be sure to reach out to you. And then be sure that we all be sure that I get you a copy of the chat so you can reach out to people or touch base with people as well. But please let us know if you’re on I’d love to say hello and give you a shout out real quick question though. What do you think about capturing the co2 from fermentation and storing it underground? Or are you selling or using your co2 in some other way.”
Speaker 1 Vincent James
“We’re the off gas we’re converting. It’s coming out differently. There’s a patented bio reactor that we use. And so I can turn sugar into alcohol in a matter of hours as opposed to weeks. I explained earlier in the call that I originally made a lot of microbreweries and the breweries that are making again, you’re using yeast and there’s lager and there’s aliased. And people who keep always looking for what, what’s the difference? And I said a lot of places we’re going to our ale microbreweries because ales turnover, you can from grain to glass is 10 days. In a larger facility, it is grain to glass, it’s 21 days, you have to age at longer using the bioreactor that I’m using, that doesn’t even come into the equation. It’s done in a matter of hours. We’re fermenting up to the alcohol. It’s incredible.”
Speaker 2 Mandi Lynn Kerr
“So cool. Okay, so when we talked, there was another question about purchase and buying, you know, where did the end use come from? Is it going into jet fuel? Is it being sold currently? And can you talk a little bit about what your needs are? There was another question about are you franchising? So what is the business structure? No. Are you guys?”
Speaker 1 Vincent James
“Scott, I tend to talk with a lot of analogies and Scott Hewitt, my team, and he’s very, very patient with me because I’m a little I’m not scattered. I just multitask a lot in my head. And when he was, he was talking to the DOD and about aviation fuel. And they would like to when we’re producing it, they would like to make a purchase order because we can’t get a purchaser until we actually start producing it. And Scott was saying, how much volume would you need? Because again, the headquarters are going to find out well, are we going to have a market to sell our hemp when we grow it, and it’s like the Field of Dreams, if you build it, they’ll come. And what I’m saying is that when Scott was telling me how much he needs to how much fuel that they need, just that one facility, I would need to build it’s like, in Jaws when they said we’re gonna need a bigger boat. It was like, oh my god, I’d need to build 12 factories just to meet that one demand for biofuel.”
Speaker 2 Mandi Lynn Kerr
Mandi Lynn Kerr asked, “Is there a pole from the buyer and the market?
Speaker 1 Vincent James
“Yeah. the consumer growth, the the CAGR on when people in the numbers, guys, I’m not that. I’m more. I’m happier with bacteria and bugs and numbers, people and all the legal stuff. I’m very pleased with them. And when I worked at UC Berkeley, one of the schools I was responsible for was the School of Law because the two professional schools, so Boalt Hall, and there’s also School of Optometry at Berkeley, and I like the optometrists are great to get along with that you could tell first year, second year what they’re dealing with. But Boalt Hall as it was, as a different group, dealing with attorneys, but their mindset is different. And when they look at what’s going on, a lot of people tend to want to pick one piece out of what we’re doing and say that’s what we want to look at. And we don’t want to focus on all this other stuff, because that’s too confusing. And I said, Well, what you’re missing the point if you if you’re just going to make the protein or if you’re just going to make the fuel. What are you going to do with all this other stuff? Because then you’re going to incur other fees to get rid of it. Why not make it into something that benefits everybody in the community. And that’s why we called the original family, the parent company, the community biorefinery because it helps communities and comes from.”
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr commented and said,”What I’m hearing more and more within the industry, right as the passion is not about one product, it’s the plant fact that the plant hits all of these verticals, from fueling and heating our homes and energy, to automotive, textiles, protein in the sugars.” It’s just that there are a lot of plants that can do this.”
Speaker 1 Vincent James
Vincent James said “So when I was at UC Davis and people were asking me Well, have you looked at cannabis?” I said, it’s illegal. And it’s like, I can’t process. I can’t process right now at one of our pilot plants at the USDA. To him that’s why we’re looking to build our facility and we’re looking at a site We’re in South Dakota, which is a beautiful sight. And we’re looking to finish up funding there. It has rail. It has everything we need. And that facility, once we create it again, the jobs will be 600 jobs that are in the facility. And there’s, with every job that’s created, there are three jobs that are supported because of that job. So this is a massive job creation process. impact. And again, my background I come from, again, congenital deafness is in my family. And I’m concerned about the Deaf unemployment rate for a deaf individual wanting to work. Unemployment is over 50% unemployment. It’s a shame. And I, I remember as a kid, how hard it was when my parents got a job to keep that because you know, it. It’s so easy for someone to say, it’s hard to tell them because I would have to write something down to tell them to do it’s like, and I get, it’s heartbreaking. I hear, there’s so many people out there that could benefit. In a situation like this My brother in law, who passed away with a Chief of Staff and the department we have in, in Arkansas. And this would be just ideal for a lot of individuals to get training to do this. I’ve talked to other Institute’s about teaching classes having a certificate program on an HBr. And a lot of these companies or educational companies have come up with the limitations they have. They can’t do gi loan, get student loans, or the Department of Rehab because it’s an illegal substance. But I’m not looking at someone who’s training somebody in horticulture like, like viticulture I’m, I’m more looking at the science aspect and training the technical on dealing with our different products. Do you look at what we’re doing on our product stream? There’s fractions of the protein that are not used in food consumption for humans, but they still have nutritional value? Well, that was what we paid for and we had a credo with another university. We did an aquaculture study. We did fish trials. And we again we yeah, we were told, just starting to live on this. They’re going to die. And I said, we’re going to Sammy. And I said, Well, we’ll pay for the study that we do and they go what summer, so students are gone, but we’ll guarantee that they’re not going to live. So we gave them the sample. And Sammy called them back a week later. And they said no, no. Fish are doing good. But you’re too early. They’re not going to live. And they said don’t call back, we’ll call you. And like two months later, they called us and said, What is in this meal?” Because of the complete branched chain amino acids in our meal, the fish grew twice the size. It was a perfect meal. In this aquaculture study that we did for tilapia. Tilapia, if you look in the Bible, that was the fish that Jesus fed the 1000s of and it was tilapia. And it was like, amazing at the fish group. And so after you see that in, when my daughter was young, one of her favorite books was you know, everybody poops, and going with that, that theme. If you look at the fish, the manure was then going at the bottom and we use that manure into a hydroponics now I can actually then use the hybrid hydroponics using a vertical hydroponic system, and growing all the vegetables that a community needs. It can also be used in studies where we want to specifically hybrid certain characteristics, and our plants or to produce certain characteristics. And we could do that all in house. So all these are jobs that are created under one roof.”
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr said, “It’s incredible I agree with a godson this is I mean, this, it really touches on all of these pieces to be able to bring it together. And it’s not just an idea. It’s something you guys have been doing and been able to prove out and have your patents in order and ready.”
She asked a question:
“What about your end buyers? We’ve only got a couple minutes left, but I have a question about the butanol versus the ethanol for the fuels and the fuel industry. Are we getting a lot of pull from say automotive or jet fuel for a more sustainable, longer lasting product? What’s that pull really look like?”
Speaker 1 (Vincent James)
Vincent James said, “I know, I’m not in the petroleum industry, right. So I’m not, I won’t claim to be an expert on. I’m just this little guy, videophone phone, chatting with you. But I can tell you, when I was talking to Halliburton, and one of the things that they’re looking at, there is the federal green mandate where they have to have a certain percentage of basically a biofuel in the gasoline mix. That’s what we want. And that’s what we want: a mixture, we want cleaner burning fuel in a car. And if you look, everybody’s going to ethanol, and ethanol, again, is something you’re making corn whiskey. That’s what ethanol is. If you do butanol, it is very difficult to make. And UC Berkeley got a cash infusion from British Petroleum to try to make biobutanol. And the reason British Petroleum was doing that is that butanol is the only bio biofuel that can go through the pipeline. Ethanol can’t go through the pipeline. It’s not a good fit, it separates, it’s almost like, and I explained this to friends who were having dinner. Ethanol is like Italian dressing, oil and vinegar, and it’ll separate and you have to shake it up to mix. That’s what ethanol does. They blend it in spice blend butanol, it’s like ranch dressing. Completely emulsified. Once it’s in there, it can go straight through. So you don’t have to change your infrastructure. You don’t have to change the whole time. You don’t even have to change the inner workings of your engine, because it’s such a symbiotic blend that you have with gasoline.”
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr said, “I did see a comment that there was a I wanted to see if I can find it right here. butanol is considered to be a potential biofuel, biofuel or butanol, fuel. And it provides more energy for a given volume than ethanol. The problem with ethanol is moisture. Absorption does butanol cancel this out? I think you kind of touched on this earlier.”
Speaker 1 (Vincent James)
Vincent James said, “Alexander should be on the call with our feet. That’s what and that’s what when I started talking to people about this. That’s why they don’t realize that they’re going okay, it’s green. It’s better to put it in. But you have to wait for what is the best for us and everybody. And I think that if you go the butanol route, it’s better if it’s in I’m. I’m trying not to be technical in my camp, but it’s the best because it blends in perfectly.”
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
Mandi Lynn Kerr commented and said:
“It’s awesome. Okay, one more. And then we’ve got to jump off here because I want to keep talking. But Matt, you’re exactly right, let’s get this video in front of more investment groups. So we can get this role here in the United States. However, we can help, I’m all about this. And like I said, I could keep diving into each one of these topics, I would love to invite you back and continue to do no deep dive discussions or more discussions about any one of these products that you create. It’s not you’re no longer just talking about, you know, fiber production or textiles. But these are, these are big, big, big solutions or opportunities that the industry has to get involved from farm to our automotive industries.”
Vincent James replied and said, “What we’re, what we’re looking at, this is a paradigm shift. And what if people can look at this, we’re not, we’re not trying to change the way people are viewing the world, their life, this is something that could fit in their life. And when we come to looking at the price point, and this is what a lot of people do, when you go into supermarket, and you have two products on the shelf, one one sitting next to the another, and you have a family to raise, and you know that you’re going to pay $1 More because this is a green product, you might not do that. Because you know, you’re very conscious about that. But if you have the same product on the shelf, and they both do the same function, yes, and they’re the same price. Then you could sit there and say let me invest in this because one, it’s an American product. It’s produced in South Dakota, if we do the Factory in South Dakota is produced there. You’re employing people in the US doing this and support that. And this whole what is supply chain issue that we’re dealing with right now because are all these out if I can look out my window at the bay, you have all these ships out there waiting to get into the port of Oakland and they can’t get in because it’s like, why not have it to where the the inner cities start building out again, this is perfect for it’s a perfect model for that.”
Speaker 2 (Mandi Lynn Kerr)
She asked a question and said, “What does the input look like? How many acres? Are we looking at as far as need for input on cannabis stalk?”
Speaker 1 (Vincent James)
Vincent James replied and said:
“Well, there’s the numbers Sammy was, he loved doing these numbers because and what we’re looking at is that we’re trying to cut down on the length between the farmer and our factory. And we want to make that delivery point as convenient and cheap as possible. So that we don’t spend money on transportation fuel, because we don’t want to spend money on energy to bring a product where we’re going to make energy that to me is like it’s an oxymoron there. So that’s why we’re looking at South Dakota. There’s rails that go straight into the facility, they have corn going in there right now. Yeah, one of the concerns that I have is I’m the leader with the group on doing this with hemp. And we’ve spent our r&d, we’ve spent over $20 million, perfecting what we’re doing. And we’ve had craters with eight different universities, testing. So we’ve been verified by third party engineering firms. So we’re verified. Everything I’m saying is done. It’s not me saying that it’s not using it, this is verified by independent third party engineers, when we do our protein we send it out as a true protein isolate. And it’s yes, the under protein efficient ratio, it’s a protein, perfect protein. So we’re doing all this. And we’re looking for investors that want to team up with us. We’re with the Jobs Act that’s going on with what was happening, we now have this on our website, you can look at that as an accredited investor. And that’s where I’m not taking advantage of somebody who’s just going from month to month, credit investors can invest in this. And this is something that’s going to be beneficial for everybody.”
Mandi Lynn Kerr commented:
“Well, I’m very excited. Like I said, I can keep it up. I keep saying that. And I’ve been wanting to push this interview for a long time. So thank you so much for spending the hour with me.”
Vincent James commented:
“I’d like to inform everyone who is listening to the call that the Global Hemp Association is a very dynamic organization.” And I can tell you that I’ve spoken to other people, and I’m not sure if they slept in during their o Chem classes, but a lot of this is above their heads. But thank you so much, man. You and Kayla are like rockstars, and what you’re doing with your website and listening to us is going to make a huge difference in the hemp industry. As I mentioned earlier, we’ve studied a variety of feedstocks, and I want to make sure that hemp is the first feedstock you consider because we’ve studied corn and rice.”
